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« on: January 09, 2005, 12:27:13 PM »

one ignorant man with one simple question. Did Dostoevsky believe in reincarnation or, to a certain dregree, supported this philosophy in one of his major works?

thanks for the help!
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2005, 02:33:51 PM »

I'm almost 100% positive that Dostoevsky didn't believe in reincarnation.  He was a Christian believer and was a true one to the core.  His writings showed that quite clearly.  

Christianity has nothing do with reincarnation so my answer for you would be 'no'.  But that's just my opinion...  Cool  Although many here would probably agree...  Wink
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« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2005, 06:31:03 PM »

I agree with Fyodor - I don't recall any mention of reincarnation in any of the texts which I've read thus far.
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« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2005, 07:20:57 PM »

you guys are right, but he did mention it in "The Brothers Karamazov" and also, when i was writing this topic ,i was thinking of Tolstoy not Dotoevsky.. Sorry!

i don't want to start a theological debate, but i totally go against your reasoning that "Christianity has nothing do with reincarnation".. anyways, thanks for your posts..

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« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2005, 11:03:52 PM »

i don't want to start a theological debate, but i totally go against your reasoning that "Christianity has nothing do with reincarnation".. anyways, thanks for your posts..

Well then, this IS a message board, right? Smiley
Please enlighten us on how Christianity and reincarnation are related.
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2005, 06:34:46 AM »

The only way I could think of Christianity and Reincarnation as being linked would be the fact that Judaism is the core of Christianity and Judaism believes in cycles and reincarnation... Other than that, a couple of people rose from the dead in the Bible... But there's no evidence in there to support the idea that God would reincarnate you...
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2005, 08:11:23 PM »

well, i dont know of the other person who lived again, but i know of jesus... i cant classify that as reincarnation though, being he didnt come back as someone else (if you could even consider him a "person" per se, is open to debate anyways).

"And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment," (Hebrews 9:27)

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/reincarnation.html
this is a great site if you have questions on christian theology, its pretty open minded, at least to science.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2005, 12:44:09 PM »

Like i said, im not here to judge people on their beliefs. I'm new to this forum and i really like everything about it.
My beliefs in Reincarnation is solely based on the
principles that  jesus thought in the second testament.

i took this part from a site---------------------------

In tracing the origin of the Bible, one is led to AD 325, when Constantine the Great called the First Council of Nicaea, composed of 300 religious leaders. Three centuries after Jesus lived, this council was given the task of separating divinely inspired writings from those
of questionable origin.The actual compilation of the Bible was an incredibly complicated project that involved churchmen of many varying beliefs, in an atmosphere of dissension, jealousy, intolerance, persecution and
 bigotry. At this time, the question of the divinity of Jesus had split the church into two factions. Constantine offered to make the little-known Christian sect the official state religion if the Christians would settle their differences. Apparently, he didn't particularly care what
they believed in as long as they agreed upon a belief. By compiling a book of sacred writings, Constantine thought that the book would give authority to the new church.

One more thing, if there is no contradictions in the bible than how come there is sooo many sects of christian beliefs?

if the church is corrupted today, why can't it be corrupted in the past with leaders who were only to obssed with power?
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One more interesting fact about the reincarnation problem goes back to Origen of Alexandria considered one of the greatest christian theoligians. His beleifs are based on the platonic idea of goodness. (http://www.iep.utm.edu/o/origen.htm)

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evidence of reincarnation in the bible:

1-For all the prophets and the law have prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who was to come. (Matt. 11:13-14)
And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"
But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)


2-And as he was passing by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who has sinned, this man or his parents, that he should be born blind?"
 Jesus answered, "Neither has this man sinned, nor his parents, but the works of God were to be made manifest in him.'" (John 9:1-3)

The disciples asked Jesus if the man committed a sin that caused him to be born blind. Given the fact that the man was blind since birth, this is an unusual question to ask unless pre-existence and reincarnation were a fact. How can a man sin before he is even born? The only conceivable answer to this question is a sin that was committed in a past life.

there are many more and many sites that talks about this. Whenever we read the bible, we read it like we are "suppose" to read it, instead of using our own reasoning and deciphering the teachings of jesus..

anyways, i hope i didnt make any enemies, for everyone is entitled to their own beliefs right? righhhhhht...

until next time...
 



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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2005, 04:54:09 PM »

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The disciples asked Jesus if the man committed a sin that caused him to be born blind. Given the fact that the man was blind since birth, this is an unusual question to ask unless pre-existence and reincarnation were a fact. How can a man sin before he is even born? The only conceivable answer to this question is a sin that was committed in a past life.
you should be aware of the original sin (ie adam and eve)?  im not saying that the human race started as two people, but the metaphor that mankind tries to attain the power of god (the tree of knowledge) is something we are all born with.  Also, the reason there are so many different sects of christianity isnt because of "contradictions", its different interpretations.  This isnt partial to this religion either, take Bhuddism for example; there are over 200 different forms of bhuddism, but the Bhudda never "contradicted" himself.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2005, 06:56:49 PM »

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Also, the reason there are so many different sects of christianity isnt because of "contradictions", its different interpretations.  This isnt partial to this religion either, take Bhuddism for example; there are over 200 different forms of bhuddism, but the Bhudda never "contradicted" himself.

Sorry, i have to admit my mistakes, thats what i meant to say in my last post..

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2005, 09:33:36 AM »

no man, its all good... im just defending my opinion, you shouldnt apologize for yours  Smiley
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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2005, 08:59:24 AM »

Conrado, thanks for the posts!  You are certainly entitled to your beliefs.  No one is going to scorn you or anything for what you believe.  However, I must disagree with you in a civil manner on this topic...

The verses you listed all point to a spiritual realm that exists apart from the one we humans live in.  Nowhere in those verses does it claim that humans are reborn into new humans without past memory.  The only claim is that their spirits can return (Elijah, etc.).  There is a big difference there.

I agree with underground_idiot - humans are born into sin and only through forgiveness through Jesus Christ are they washed clean.  However, the man was not born blind due to his sins - read again what Jesus said there.  He said that God has his reasons for the man being born blind - reasons that we will never know about.  

The disciples had some very dumb questions/suppositions as they were being taught by Jesus.  But once Jesus was done with them and was crucified, they were very much enlightened and full of the Holy Spirit (just read Acts and notice their maturity then).  They understood Jesus' teaching as a whole and were made new - reborn spiritually.

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« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2005, 01:40:54 AM »

Yay!
I finally found somewhere where controversial debate is raging...but please stop apologising for having a point of view. You're allowed to have a point of view...everyone is...yay independence of the mind...

There's not a lot about reincarnation in the Christian bible...rising from the dead (like Jesus and Lazarus) is obviously there, but that is a special power from God, not a natural part of life (as some other religions believe reincarnation is). Jesus came back from death, but not as another person.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2005, 12:04:38 PM »

I doubt very much that Dostoyevsky would've believed in reincarnation, he was Orthodox and they do not take on new or "alien" beliefs. If he would've done so, he would've been excommunicated from the church, as Tolstoy was. I also think he believed in God and knew there was a God, as one of you said, "He was a Christian believer and was a true one to the core.  His writings showed that quite clearly." I mean if he had so much against Jews/Catholics/Free Masons, then I very seriously doubt he would have indulged in such theories.
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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2005, 10:21:24 PM »

conrado...(now now axiom I will play nice).

Your posting and linking is based on the idea of interpretation as the core of the truth.

The divisions in the early church where not on which scriptures where to be used they where not cannonical of specific books.
Read the transcripts for the ecumetical councils the ones under Constantine where not about what books where to be cannonized. They where about the definition of the godhead.

The divisions where over the existence of God here in reality. The nature of that existence.

If you are going to start down the gnostic road let me say to you..Many here will take great offense. Since these fabricated books where not penned by the people who's names are carried in the books titles.

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claiming
Jesus was a murderer like the Infancy gospel of Thomas
Jesus was a fornicator like the gospel of Mary Magdeline
Jesus was a elitist unpleasable god like in the gospel of Nicodemus
Jesus was a cult leader in the gospel of Thomas
Jesus was a pedophile like in the secret gospel of Mark.
Slander and blaspemy are not really secrets.

I hope you would see with why these "gospels" were rejected.

I would hope that you would not just believe me and not the website you posted but instead be balanced in your seeking of the truth. But what I have posted should have been obvious if you where being truly objective.

Also you haven't posted in along long time.

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