Dostoevsky and his brothers Solovyov & Kierkegarrd

[underworld men]

Yup, I say that Vladimir Solovyov and Soren Kierkegaard were more alike then big D and Mr Cemetery..

In my opinion Kierkegaard/Mr Cemetery's

Philosophical Fragments and Unscientific Postscript (brilliant joke on Hegel by the way)

And

Vladimir Solovyov's
Philosophy in Crisis: a critique of Positivism

Are both the same idea.

The existence is not merely a history or what the senses tell us and that these concepts of determinism are nothing but a priviledged group of academia's attack on religion and christianity in general.

These concepts these attacks have BS at their very hearts and have failed.

I believe in the case of Camus "the Sham moo" and Satre
"the dumb/deaf misinterrupter" that both had made a concerted effort to undermind Mr Cemetery and big D because people where able to intellectually re-afirm their faith in
religion because of Big D and Kierkegaard.

Both Camus and Satre had learned from big D and Cemetery's highly intelligent ways of communication and had tried to mimic them in order to undermine big D and Mr Cemetery's message(s).  I find it rather repulsive that Satre and Camus are called existentialist and Kierkegaard is christian existentialist. And yet Kierkegaard created or formalized the very philosophy of existentialism from Pascal and Descartes.
Satre did nothing but hi jack the idea and try to force it in his direction. Camus did the same to the underground man and did nothing but create a psychopath (the stranger).

Now Vladimir Solovyov's -"the anti christ" is as prophetic as
Dostoevsky's "daemons"....

It really is a companion of sorts.

[nektarios]

I have to say to my friend with the hand in my heart tha i found a soul mate!I am following the same line of thinking with you!What you said about camus sartr and their relation with dostyevski are amazing thinks!I was thinking about these issues very much lately!We can start a discussion in the forum about that subect!Maybe is the most ineteresting part in the history of spirit  of last 150 years these relationship with the atheist existentialist and the christian existentialists!

Take care my friend!

[underworld men]

I have to say to my friend with the hand in my heart tha i found a soul mate!I am following the same line of thinking with you!What you said about camus sartr and their relation with dostyevski are amazing thinks!I was thinking about these issues very much lately!We can start a discussion in the forum about that subect!Maybe is the most ineteresting part in the history of spirit  of last 150 years these relationship with the atheist existentialist and the christian existentialists!

Take care my friend!

Most excellent to see you Nekos. I am always honored to speak with a greek (and a Cypriot at that. I appreciate you very much. You have so very much to be proud of, pro islander or pro unity or not).

A small lyric to the great mariners of the sea.

It is that the mariners did conquer the world.
They brought koine, a unity.
So the scattered of old.
Did bicker and thieve and lie.
BUT.
They should have been ashamed for this all did make them better.
What the mariners brought was a way of thinking.
That stated that man can learn to mimic nature and so improve.
Improve. Improve.
So man can make machines to mimic to travel yes to fly.
But what in nature but the god could be the model that our minds did mimic.
Yes our minds.
Nous, hypostasis,ousia.

At play on the great flux of Plotinus' energy waves.
Stearing our boats across this electric abyss of light and stars.
To be one with the one, pure energy now.
Theosis, means forever in Ecstasy. The uncreated energy.
Agape. Awe as energy. Agape.

[nektarios]

I have to admit that you are a great man,with a wide soul,that you can feel thinks,that not many people can!

Tnx for that lyrics were very touchfull!my name is nektarios not nekos! :)nekos is my brother!

Take care!

[underworld men]

I have to admit that you are a great man,with a wide soul,that you can feel thinks,that not many people can!

Tnx for that lyrics were very touchfull!my name is nektarios not nekos! :)nekos is my brother!

Take care!

Hahahaha
I am no one.
Fair enough tell your brother nekos that god loves him too. God bless you Nektarios

[MikeK]

Now I'm confused UM.  You spent several posts in the "Similar Authors" thread telling me that I was wrong; telling me that Camus and D did not deal with the same themes.  Now in this thread you seem to be saying exactly what I was saying in that thread.  You say that Camus: "made a concerted effort to undermine...big D", and that Camus "learned from big D's highly intelligent way of communicating and tried to mimic it in order to undermine big D."

How is it possible for Camus to try to undermine him WITHOUT dealing with the same themes?  How can he learn from D's intelligent style in order to undermine him WITHOUT having a similar style and thematic basis for his works?  What you say in this thread is exactly what I said earlier.  That they dealt with similar themes but that "those ideas that D tried to discredit are the ones that Camus accepted."

Wazzup?

[underworld men]

Now I'm confused UM.  You spent several posts in the "Similar Authors" thread telling me that I was wrong; telling me that Camus and D did not deal with the same themes.  Now in this thread you seem to be saying exactly what I was saying in that thread.  You say that Camus: "made a concerted effort to undermine...big D", and that Camus "learned from big D's highly intelligent way of communicating and tried to mimic it in order to undermine big D."

How is it possible for Camus to try to undermine him WITHOUT dealing with the same themes?  How can he learn from D's intelligent style in order to undermine him WITHOUT having a similar style and thematic basis for his works?  What you say in this thread is exactly what I said earlier.  That they dealt with similar themes but that "those ideas that D tried to discredit are the ones that Camus accepted."

Wazzup?

wazz amadder u?

Thread was simular authors. I pointed out that Camus was gunning for big D in that thread.
So if someone was looking for authors who where christian and wrote passages that where mystical in tone. How would that be Camus the sham moo? If someone where looking for someone who tried to undermine dostoevsky via SOME of dostoevsky's technics then Camus would fit the bill.
Or as a one might say "the devil is supernatural,
but he is no God."
So I will not seek God in his enemies, just a I will not seek the essence of Dostoevsky in his enemies either.
Why is that so hard Mr Mike. I would not go to your enemies, if I enjoyed your conversations or company.

PS just because we disagree does not make you wrong.

[underworld men]

Back to Brother Cemetery..

 

Incomprehensibility.

This leads one to doubt.

In order to advance one must speculate.

The absurd then fights with the understood.

Now christianity is no guessing, no approximation.

For in truth the leap of faith is the conscious choice

of the individual.

To choose this thing called christ this event in history.

But choice conscious & impossibly difficult can be deserted

So the option of desertation is validation of freedom in choice. One can choose either/or and neither.

Freewill is the experience that tells us we need our bodies and the world.

For without love one can not know hate.

Without beauty one would not know the repugnant.

Without the finite one could never know the infinite.

How to other creatures we must seem like gods.

Our bodies gifts to experience freewill true freedom.

What power how beautifully sacred.

Man means existence in the now. Man as a complete whole

is between. Man is free to choose.

Brother Cemetery tells us man is plagued by this one truth..

That-

"Existential dialectic, especially in the form of double-
reflection, cannot be communicated directly."

To attempt so, is to attempt so objectively.

To approach God with rational mind or objectively

leads to nihilism...

God is a subject.

Man is a subject.

One must approach them..

Subjectively.

This is Solovyev- "positivism is the perception that all can be

reduced to object truth, positivism is a lie."

Man and his freedom come from

The inbetween of Object and Subject.

God is a subject not an object.
Now comes the master--

Dostoevsky.

[underworld men]

Subject..

To subdue through investigation or the mind or thinking part as distinguished from the object of thought.

Object..

Something intelligible or perceptible by the mind.

A simple reduction.

If airplanes mimic birds what does our mind mimic.

What is our consciousness mimicing?

or

"A Mimical-Pathetical-Dialectical Compilation"

[Worm]

Back to Brother Cemetery..

 

Incomprehensibility

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YOUR WORDS HAVE BEEN HIJACKED BY NOWNKNU

[underworld men]

Foxy you are from the outer limits

[Worm]

apparently ... i didn't intend to ...

[underworld men]

And to think that I was about to transcend the dicohtomy of duality and my transmittion was hijacked by oompaa loophas.


p.s.
Rise
o.l.a.
Rise (obstinantly throws fist in the air)
Death to wonka,Snozzwangers, Horn Snolgerlers, wicked Whangdoodles, and Vermicious knids.
Freedom for our green haired comrades..

http://www.angelfire.com/punk/thriftshopjunkies/Oompa.html

Longtime member of

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Fight for the cause brothers liberate our green haired brothers.

[Worm]

Poor Oompa Loompa's ...

[underworld men]

Poor Oompa Loompa's ...

Here, here.