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underworld men
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2006, 05:49:31 AM »

Quickly before the oompa loompas (sick midgets) return....

So now Solovyev.....

The mind gives us

religion and philosophy.

Philosophy is introspective. It is the individual reaching inward to reconnect to the experience of truth.

Religion is the collective experience of the same. Reaching in togetherness to reconnect and experience the truth. Tradition teaching us from the experiences of those already past.

One seeks the other if one finds dissatification in either/or.

The mind is designed triad, dyad, monad(Pythagoreus/Plato/Aristotle/Plotinus' one or monad).

The mind learns that a table can stand on 3 legs. Material
is of 3 dimensions.

That the mind thinks and that this thinking is based on abstraction. Abstraction is the mind interrupting reality.
The simplest form of abstraction is duality.

The mind realizes that experience (interaction with reality)
can not be lesser then duality.

So one CREATES nothingness as a thought process in approaching the one or monad.

Solovyev states that this is postivism. This is his lesson given to Dostoevsky that sparked the brothers karamozov.

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underworld men
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2006, 06:22:35 AM »

Nikolai Berdyaev tried to reconcile.

Postivism with religion.

This fusion is what caused Lossky to surface.

The Losskys follow in the vein of Kant and his critic of pure reason that all things must have an element of supernatural in their make up in order to exist.

This element or component of supernatural can not be reconciled with the nothingness of nihilism or its philosophy-
positivism.

Solovyev is misunderstood as are many others- as being a vitalist.

This is to believe that things are greater in their value then the sum of their make up.

Solovyev would have taken that as a step forward but renounced this himself. He did not embrace vitalism. (though he used it and liked it).
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Worm
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2006, 06:31:38 AM »

You seem to be turning into a new independant philosopher yourself, Underworld Men. Smiley  
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underworld men
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2006, 06:40:00 AM »

You seem to be turning into a new independant philosopher yourself, Underworld Men. Smiley  

Too much coffee and abstinence.. (though the abstinence is forced, lets say I am not popular with the ladies "SUPRISE"). Shocked
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underworld men
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2006, 06:40:32 AM »

You seem to be turning into a new independant philosopher yourself, Underworld Men. Smiley  

PS this is all V Lossky's stuff..
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Worm
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2006, 06:42:06 AM »

Oh well .. like Socrates said: "Either you'll marry, or you'll become a philosopher."
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underworld men
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2006, 06:46:43 AM »

Oh well .. like Socrates said: "Either you'll marry, or you'll become a philosopher."

Mr Cemetery too, you know/no repetition.
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underworld men
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2006, 07:12:23 AM »

So now so now.

Repetition. Recycle. Repeat.

Repeat.

One must penetrate the monad. Or one is cursed.

To repeat.

This is Mr Dostoevsky's.

So if there is an abyss below. So to there must be an abyss above.

To each great growth one must pass. If one reflects back this all just seems to the old you from the new you. Like a bunch of nonsense. Stuck on a loop or rung on St John Climacus' ladder of divine ascent. Or climbing the tree to heaven.

Before one progresses one must decide.

Why?

For power, for pleasure, to know. Or Dostoevsky's reason-theosis.

Ayn Rand  and Nietzsche stole notes from the underworld and romantised the underworld man's ethic.

But thieves become thieves because they themselves have nothing. They believe in and offer nothing. They are stuck on the rung. Repeat, recycle.

To get passed the rung(s) one is tested. If the proper answer is given one passes.

If one does for knowledge in all things, one will get high but will not succeed.

To penetrate the monad(Plotinus).

So if one reflects oneself they also  

Must reflect the impossible.  The monad.

Man is

Subjective man/underground man/

Objective man/ridiculous man/

so what?

Monad is

Cataphatic/god is

Apophatic/god is not

So what?

Still why. Why even bother?
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underworld men
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2006, 07:45:17 AM »

Now one begins to approach Dostoevsky.

Only here can one even begin an understanding..

Of Dostoevsky.

Of orthodox christianity.

Christ was killed by the men poisoned by the will to power.

Men who had special knowledge. The know of control.

This knowledge is very specific in its justifaction of leviathan/determinism. Ownership of men and mankind.

The will to power the will to control.

Men who speak of other men only as the herd. This is where knowledge fails and one falls. There is nothing more wretched then for one man to own another. WRETCHED.

Christ loved, this was the lesson. Christ has set you free.
Christ set you free from this sickness.

Christ died, this was sincerity and fidelity.

Christ came back, this was the validation of faith.

The opposite of faith is despair the cost of faith is the relinquishing of power/knowledge to God.

One can only validate ones faith by doing so. God asks for mercy, not sacrifice. Where evil has knowledge, good has faith.

One a slave of faith but free from and though faith.

One a slave of knowledge, knowledge is every/thing. Knowledge is power. Your mind then becomes your enemy.

For a reprobate mind is one that can no longer function just ask Frederick. Apollo and Dionysus are brothers who compliment, not conflict.

One becomes reprobate when knowledge can no longer tell the good from the evil.

So instead of knowledge,

faith

Only here one can not only penetrate the monad -the one.

Only here does one pass through it to the other -theosis.

Merging with the one not to be erased and recycled.

Merging with the one and passing through the one.

This is theosis.

But in reflection of theosis is..

One need not fool themselves on what side they are on

if they engage in the collection of power.

This is what will bring about the end of all things.

To rise up to the level of God out of hatred for God, to amass knowledge

to cheat the test.  To harm one's fellow man in such hatred (of existence) is validation of evil.

This is the heart of the tyrant. This is the very philosophy of the tyrant. This is the tyrant's validation.

To render all to nothing. There is no freedom in this nothingness. This nothingness is an phallacy a lie made by the lord of lies.

The tyrant can not be God for there is no such God in this objective sense.

This injustice as the tyrant expresses is what the tyrant teaches that- God is a tyrant.

This is the grand inquistor.

Religion to herd men, reason or knowledge alone has never sufficed.  

This is the falling of the fallen.  

Soloyvev's anti-christ is this falling
to reduce to thinking and justify in thinking alone, the greatest of this with be the anti-christ. The control will be to know. The know will be control.

Christ did not become Christ until he was baptised in the Jordan. This is called theophany. But he was always the god.

Most Evil will not know it is evil until it's work is done. It's time will arrive. Few will know all along.
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2006, 11:10:46 AM »

psychopath
sociopath

Hatred pathos of...........

One who kills to hide a secret.

Philosophy is dead.

All things can not be reduced to objective.
 "Nobody knows nothin." Socrates.
Hence the fallacy of philosophy.

Religious is the subject >truth.

It is the actual noetic dream.

And we will disagree since it's essence is subjective.
And when we disagree we validate it's subjectiveness. Grin

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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2006, 07:07:21 AM »

An ode to the nothingnesses.....

Knowledge is power
Ignorance is weakness
but life goes on, out of faith.

This big bunch of nothings that people seem
to lump as one.

Ignorance is nothingness because one can not act against that which they do not know. You can do-nothing
Knowledge is nothingness because it does one nothing to know since to know means it has already come to pass. You can do-nothing.
Then there is the "other" nothingnesses.

The nothingness of God, like the skin of Moby Dick. Captain Ahab you can do-nothing
The nothingness of now, this sleep I can not shake. To know to realize, to come out of the cave. One can do-nothing.
The fear, the negative abyss, the absences of light. One can not see, one's senses can do-nothing.

But with faith
I will face them all.

For Knowledge is ego.
Faith is a submission/expression of love.

And

"love never fails".

Hey I think I've read Plotinus. Smiley

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underworld men
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2006, 10:08:04 AM »

So what is this sophia/sophiologist stuff anyway?
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woland
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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2006, 05:38:06 PM »

So what is this sophia/sophiologist stuff anyway?

http://www.georgefox.edu/academics/undergrad/departments/soc-swk/ree/sergeev_dwa.html
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underworld men
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« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2006, 09:56:54 PM »


Ha! Pierce is the scientific validation of Kant. The writer missed this.
And people wonder why Ayn Rand was so against Kant.

I think the person who wrote the article was very unbiased in that he really has expressed the sophiology from the Bulgakov's perspective (and to think that his brother Master and the Margarita).

Let me say that the "church" is the she of the sophia. Christ is the wisdom or logos of God.
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