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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2006, 03:45:28 PM »

Satan is sort of individualism gone completely wrong, yes? He's (for the sake of ease, let's just say "he") the embodiment of everything wrong with the Western idea of individualism -- becoming so entirely wrapped up in oneself that one refuses to acknowledge God and sees others only as pawns / roadblocks in one's own game. At least in one facet.

Am I right here, or have I missed the point of bringing Satan into the argument?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 04:54:45 PM »

First off, it's clear there are many different interpretations possible for "satan", and it's so easy to talk past each other instead of AT each other with an idea like this.

People think differently about the same ideas.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2006, 07:30:48 PM »

I agree   Smiley with you both. I just ask you to keep an open mind about what I'm going to say..

If someone was going to be balanced in giving a subject
full consideration they should study at least a general understanding of all the sides of a subject. Yes all those involved. I will not name names but instead will try and cover it while remaining Dostoevsky.

In the Dostoevsky's tbk the devil himself is a character and those who paid close attention to detail might have noticed the subtle Father Karamazov like "characteristics". Like how the devil had children that he left to other people to raise.

The devil is a shadow. He is not equal to God.
The accuser or in orthodoxy the "tyrant" is always the victim.
Always looking to recruit the proud and the selfish. The rational are his favorite to torment the "spiritualist" his army his legion.

He is the god of foreign, of the south, murderer of his brother. He is the bringer of conflict, confusion, of storm.

Gentlemen like but cold inside. The time that one is visited by the pig or wretch their lives are barren. Meaningless and unlucky.

The devil then seeks to bring out conflict against the people and kindness. To cause rebellion against the CREATOR.

To cast the CREATOR, as all that he the devil is, fallen, ignorant and a liar. Always wanting power/control.

As Dostoevsky clarified in On hell and hellfire in TBK.
The devil wished to reduce all of creation to nihil or nothing.

The devil teaches individualism as rebellion not like Christ did.
The devil will not sacrifice himself for what is right or to show the fallacy of the world or the ideas crafted by the hands of men. The tyrant's rebellion is against tradition. The devil is suicide, the voice that underminds and is motivated by hatred. The ego always boasting but only to setup the person for suicide.
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