Philosophy is dead.

[underworld men]

"Where does reason come from if not from God? God has pure reason and absolute knowledge and mankind, since created in his image, also has reason, though we don't always use it very well. "

God is most certainly not the origin of reason omahaha. This is asburd. Reason says that there is no God and you are fool for believing in one. Reason is the antitheses of God or any other concept based on revelation. Indeed this is why it is and has always been reason vs. revelation, not revelation/reason. Any form of Belief is in fact the epitome of unreason. Philosophy is not dead, but theology certainly is. Each exists at the expense of the other. I don't mean to offend you, but if you're going to espouse religion, at least have the courage to call it irrational.

UW yearns for philosophy to be dead, since then he wouldn't have to work so hard at eleborate defenses of his immortality, of his celestial supervision.

P.S. I know you won't ever agree with me. My satisfaction is only that I deny you the comfort of consensus.

Carry on...

lol Fair enough.
Just don't take us out and shooting us in the head again when you atheists take over again. That whole killing without a conscious thing gets to be alittle tedious as I can guess you imagine.

[underworld men]

Any form of Belief is in fact the epitome of unreason.

But wouldn't that seem to lead to the idea that the world doesn't exist? Since even the theory of evolution requires some belief, doesn't it seem to follow that the world is not here since the facts of its beginning require belief?

Or maybe I'm thinking about this the wrong way.

Manfred or whatever he calls himself isn't really behavin' in a logical reasoned way so...

[Childe Harold]

There is a way to be reasoned and impassioned UW.

[underworld men]

There is a way to be reasoned and impassioned UW.

Show me without dispensation or in a more western mind of expression "show me without spectacle".

[kudzai]

underworld men, talking of western mindsets I need you to explain to me the original article 'The Difference between Orthodox Spirituality and Other Traditions'. Is it because of my western mindset that Iam uncomfortable and  distrustful of the writer's far too simplistic premise?

[underworld men]

underworld men, talking of western mindsets I need you to explain to me the original article 'The Difference between Orthodox Spirituality and Other Traditions'. Is it because of my western mindset that Iam uncomfortable and  distrustful of the writer's far too simplistic premise?

"Well start with the word polemic."
"Then understand the word arstingent."

This you can understand. This is the part of the western metaphysics and metaphysical epistemology and logic, while Greek Orthodoxy basis itself on empirical verification and confirmation and  demonstrable results. Though as you will see in the OT article I just posted that the saints can not allows be as accurate as science wants.
Although anyone going to a doctor knows that unless the issue is just plain obvious the whole diagnosis things is just guessing and is hit and miss until you A) die B) it goes away or C) they actually do figure out what is going on.

So lets start there.

[omahaha]

 "Greek Orthodoxy basis itself on empirical verification and confirmation and  demonstrable results."

Can you expand on that?

[kudzai]

No, sorry Iam unable to understand that in relation to the premise of the article. Please forgive me and spare me the intellectual condencension you would like to give me.

Let me explain to you that my concerns with the article are personal and not intellectual - I belong to a denomination that has its roots in Protestantism and I simply don't recognise any truth in the statement:

      Protestants do not have a "theurapetic treatment"
      tradition. They suppose that believing in God,
      intellectually, constitutes salvation.

In my experience with my church I believe this to be untrue. My faith and church are scripture-centred and there are many instances in The Bible warning against the intellectualisation of God's word (The epistle of James comes to mind). Another personal issue I have with the article is that I don't agree with the Saint's intepretation of the parable, and the writer has based his whole argument on that. I don't think the writer as fully grasp the evolving nature of Protestantism. Western theology does have its problems but I think it is unwise to look down on it from the lofty heights of polemics.

underworld men I look forward to your reply.
                                                  in peace.

[underworld men]

"Greek Orthodoxy basis itself on empirical verification and confirmation and  demonstrable results."

Can you expand on that?

Geeze people here are lazier then ME.

Can you not comprehend the magnitude of this?!?

Go read the link I posted in OT.

Dear God, I am so lazy I won't breath, if it won't kill me.

[underworld men]

No, sorry Iam unable to understand that in relation to the premise of the article. Please forgive me and spare me the intellectual condencension you would like to give me.

Let me explain to you that my concerns with the article are personal and not intellectual - I belong to a denomination that has its roots in Protestantism and I simply don't recognise any truth in the statement:

      Protestants do not have a "theurapetic treatment"
      tradition. They suppose that believing in God,
      intellectually, constitutes salvation.

In my experience with my church I believe this to be untrue. My faith and church are scripture-centred and there are many instances in The Bible warning against the intellectualisation of God's word (The epistle of James comes to mind). Another personal issue I have with the article is that I don't agree with the Saint's intepretation of the parable, and the writer has based his whole argument on that. I don't think the writer as fully grasp the evolving nature of Protestantism. Western theology does have its problems but I think it is unwise to look down on it from the lofty heights of polemics.

underworld men I look forward to your reply.
                                                  in peace.

Now now now now! No one looks down on the heterdox!

You can stop that right now.

You will not find an Orthodox christian who is right in heart who will not say that you are not a christian. The polemic (geeze lazy didn't even look up the word did ya?) is to start open dialog or sobor/sobornost.

If you are happy with your situation then this is between you and God. I have no place to question your theoria.

I personally have this very gripe with the ecumenical.

Orthodoxy by definition means one size fits all.

You are allowed to disagree.

As for the differences. Yes there is a difference.

It is more so then just the value of theoria.

It is the meaning of the word.

Tell me what you are taught that gnosis is?

Once it is here on this board it all will be allot clearer to you.

[underworld men]

"Greek Orthodoxy basis itself on empirical verification and confirmation and  demonstrable results."

Can you expand on that?

Man OM your busting my chops baby!

Well if I were a cat I feel, by now I'd be skinned.

Now you OM post here what you believe Gnosis to be.

[kudzai]

But the article was a poor excuse for a polemic. It was a self-satisfied piece of writing written on a Orthodox website.Iam sorry underworld I will go and hide under a table. I concede defeat. I cannot discuss such a subject in the triumphant fashion you would like it discussed. Is your character typical of the Orthodoxy. Iam sure you see my defeatism as a reflection of the shallowness of my faith.

[underworld men]

But the article was a poor excuse for a polemic. It was a self-satisfied piece of writing written on a Orthodox website.Iam sorry underworld I will go and hide under a table. I concede defeat. I cannot discuss such a subject in the triumphant fashion you would like it discussed. Is your character typical of the Orthodxy. Iam sure your see my defeatism as a reflection of the shallowness of my faith.

Pravda is the CNN of Russia. Oh what your now acting like our buddy off of the Congenality thread.

Just answer the question.

What is gnosis to you kudz.

Come on its simple.

[kudzai]

Iam talking about the article written on The Orthodox Christian Center what as Pravda got to do with it?

oh dear......

[underworld men]

Iam talking about the article written on The Orthodox Christian Center what as Pravda got to do with it?

oh dear......

Go read the article I just posted on OT.

And here you are getting mad at me.