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underworld men
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« on: November 16, 2006, 09:00:10 AM »
So anyone find the passages in the Brother Karamazov where the monk (St Seraphim) gives the bear his bread or the young man watering the earth with his tears.

To be ascetic one must love beauty one must be selfless.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2006, 10:18:05 AM »
I don't exactly remember those passages, where they lengthy?..


To be ascetic you really have to love discipline, in the first place, I think.
What does it exactly mean to be ascetic?  Does it mean to live in the wilderness, at least a 1000kilometers away from another human being, without any food and any roof, for months on end?
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underworld men
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2006, 01:19:40 PM »
Quote from: Foxhead on November 16, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
I don't exactly remember those passages, where they lengthy?..


To be ascetic you really have to love discipline, in the first place, I think.
What does it exactly mean to be ascetic?  Does it mean to live in the wilderness, at least a 1000kilometers away from another human being, without any food and any roof, for months on end?


Well yes but what drives such a person should be their love of beauty AKA God. God should be the ultimate first and foremost.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2006, 01:53:55 PM »
I think what Fox means is on what level do you engage the world. (Sorry if that's not what you meant, Fox Roll Eyes) That is, the world as it is and not the world as it should be. Was the Buddha still considered an ascetic after he decided to take the middle way?
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2006, 01:58:48 PM »
Also, I don't recall the passage you're talking about.
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"To live without hope is to cease to live."
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 03:43:15 PM »
Quote from: underworld men on November 16, 2006, 01:19:40 PM
Quote from: Foxhead on November 16, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
I don't exactly remember those passages, where they lengthy?..


To be ascetic you really have to love discipline, in the first place, I think.
What does it exactly mean to be ascetic?  Does it mean to live in the wilderness, at least a 1000kilometers away from another human being, without any food and any roof, for months on end?


Well yes but what drives such a person should be their love of beauty AKA God. God should be the ultimate first and foremost.

Yeah, I guess so..

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underworld men
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 09:45:58 PM »
Well look at it this way. Discipline can be obtained for selfish and worldly goals. These are undermind by their temporal core. But the infinite is inexhaustible. What better a muse?

Think -aesthetic judgments?
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