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[Childe Harold]

Just an idea, why don't the powers that be on this forum make it so that moderators involved in a discussion will not be allowed to make expurgations of posts that he or she finds disagreeable or unsavory in that discussion. The appropriateness of a post would in this system be judged by an impartial onlooker, rather than an inflamed participant. Moderator, after all, comes from the word 'moderate'--something that really doesn't lend itself to the sectarianism and overbearing quality that has come to infect and spoil much of the "moderation" on this site.

[underworld men]

Yet another distraction. That will not change what you have done.

You know people who ask for the highest moral standard of people should also exhibit that same characteristic in themselves.

People who wish to be impartial should themselves be impartial.

But this thread seems hypocritical.

I did not suggest jokingly or not that atheist be executed.

Where as you suggested that people of faith be executed.

You suggested such a "stupid" thing on a forum dedicated to an Orthodox Christian named Dostoevsky.

Anyone with just a tiny brain and even less human compassion would know about the whole mass murder of Dostoevsky's fellow Orthodox christians in Russia thing. And wouldn't make fun of it.  After the atheistic Soviet regime took over. Really it wasn't that long ago.

So to even jokely mock the suffering and persecution of people is beyond the pale. I believe it is enough of an offense to be bannable. But lucky for you I don't make those decisions.

You know what you did was wrong. You know that the way you are being treated is your fault. You know that but you refuse to accept that.

I think you have issues. I say this because if I went to a Jewish authors website and started to make fun of the holocaust, I would expect to be banned.

You should expect the same. In Russia you would get the same. Ha Putin is Orthodox do you think he would look on you so kindly? Yes thank God you have the freedom to make fun of mass murder and oppression. That you are free to make a mockery of suffering.

After such conduct you should expect to be at the very least monitored. As I stated you militant, you should have been banned. And most definitely after your obstinate reply to the administrator's warning, what do you expect?

That people are going to let you post deathwishes towards religious people and then not at least monitor you closely?

This is lower then animal logic. To suggest that you not now be monitored let alone the fact that you have yet to apologize or even admit that it was wrong. But instead thump your chest and post tantrums like this. Once again I told you that you would out of spite make apology for tyranny. It is the way of Nietzsche.

Take responsibilty for your actions. People have read what you posted, you are fooling no one.

[Worm]

I moderate this forum from the point of view of the board, and not from my own subjective point of view.  It's quite ironic and contradictory to come to a discussion board, if you delete the opinions that differ from your own.

I delete posts of people that post links to commercial items, and in case there is some sort of 'emergency' I hop in to the rescue as well... and I believe that's all I should do as a moderator.. right?  
.. And I believe I don't do more than that, do I?  If so, please point out to me where I've crossed a line, and I'll step back.

Inventing a new option to make moderators involved in a discussion not be allowed to make expurgations of posts that he or she finds disagreeable or unsavory in that discussion, is a very good idea, but we simply don't have that option .....
... so I guess we'll have to simply have to solve the problem with old-fashioned listening and talking to each other.....

[Mogwai]

As the site admin, I would have to say that both parties have been guilty (Childe Harold and UM).  I expect more objectivity and civility from my moderator, UM.  Name-calling isn't going to make things better.  I also expect more from my posters on this board (Childe Harold in particular).  Offensive content will not be tolerated.

Put your differences aside.  The least you both can do is flame each other using the private messages rather than on this board for everyone to plow through.

Alright, carry on....you both are on probation for the time being.  

-Wes

[underworld men]

I can not accept the fact that you have not banned this person for their hateful comments.

You can go ahead and demote me. Ban me whatever.

If you will not support me then I do not need the association.

UM

Some take the bullet.

[Worm]

I consider those hatefull comments as exagerated, and said while not really knowing what they're saying (which is very easy on an internet forum, and in a heated conflicted debate, that goes rather personal than about the subject)...

[Mogwai]

UM has been banned after proceeding to fling personal comments at me in my message box.  He had a chip or two on his shoulder and I just got tired of it...  

[Worm]

... Perhaps it would have been better to skip off his moderator status instead of banning him? .. or perhaps the things he said were really that bad?...

[Mogwai]

... Perhaps it would have been better to skip off his moderator status instead of banning him? .. or perhaps the things he said were really that bad?...

I did that first - just taking off his moderator status.  And then he started insulting me.  I didn't appreciate his comments and in light of how he behaved of late, I figured the board would be a better place without him here.  Does anyone disagree?

[nektarios]

I also noticed a bit,extreme behaviours of UM lately,which i wasnt expect,from him,and i told him.But lets be ownest UM was the life of the board.

[Childe Harold]

I completely agree. He reacted snidely to opposition. The forum is a better place without the Underworld consensus overriding any and all debate.

[tzar]

from recent UM's posts one might get a feeling the guy's currently going through some sort of, like, personal problems - so maybe UM needs... kind of... support ?

[Astolfo]

  I'm the last guy to arrivehere so obviously my opinion has a limited value, but I found the U Man's attitude as a moderator absolutely unacceptable: he insulted people frequently and in an outlandish way -he even accused me of "Catholic genocide and theft", which is ridiculous- had VERY SERIOUS language problems (that is, you couldn't understand half of what he said), was very arrogant about his opinions (as in: no other opinion was allowed) and treated this Forum as a platform to promoto his highly personal view on FD, which could actually be reduced to primitive Russian nationalist pseudo-Orthodox propaganda. I insist on the "pseudo", for reducing the whole of Eastern Christianity to his illiterate ranting would be reductive and unfair.

    Also, I don't know the guy but with that kind of mind set and sense of self importance it doesn't surprise me he has personal problems. I complained about his behavior, in public and private messages, and I was glad when I saw him stripped of his moderator status. The fact that he went ballistic on Mogwai because he did NOT ban Childe Harold, when the U Man had decided he should be, shows the kind of arrogant rightousness that permeated  everything he did.

   What can I say? I won't miss the guy.

[Worm]

... Perhaps it would have been better to skip off his moderator status instead of banning him? .. or perhaps the things he said were really that bad?...

I did that first - just taking off his moderator status.  And then he started insulting me.  I didn't appreciate his comments and in light of how he behaved of late, I figured the board would be a better place without him here.  Does anyone disagree?

In light of all that, I have to agree...
I'm convinced he would have caused more problems if he wouldn't be banned..and that the board will run more fluent without him.

Tzar, I don't think UM is going through some personal problems, and if he is, we're not the ones to support him.  I do care, but this is still just a board.


...UM sure was the life on the board, but I think we have life in us as well, no?

[Mogwai]

Thanks for the reponses everyone.  I just want everyone to know that this board will not tolerate bigotted attitudes and biting flame wars (especially from a moderator).  This is supposed to be a positive discussion forum where we can talk about the ideas and literature of Dostoevsky.

I won't hesitate to bring down the ban-hammer in the future.  This hasn't been a big problem over the years and I don't expect it to be one anytime soon.  Let's remember to treat everyone here with respect - even if you disagree with them.  If you are going to say something sarcastic, or with tongue-in-cheek, please use the emoticons appropriately so that we read your posted comments correctly.

Don't worry, I'll give everyone sufficient warnings before I consider banning them.  If you see anyone posting material that is questionable, please hit the "report to moderator" link to the bottom right of that particular post.  Or, feel free to send me a private message and I'll investigate.

Thanks everyone and I look forward to continue reading your ideas and thoughts in the years to come.