Reality vs. Intuition

[writingluver5]

the ocean is so big

Precisely.

[linz]

I can't explain it any better than the curse of reason in an unreasonable world. Maybe I was being a touch negative with my 'wounds' crap. But it is true, we all start to die inside once we find out the world sucks and we are going to return to the nothingness that was our existence before birth. I judge no one because I can't walk in their shoes; I can only walk in my own shoes, and hadn't a clue even how to go about that. That's reality for you!

It's completely impossible for me to deny that the world and the entire spectrum of human life, sucks, extremely hard... as much as i don't want it to be like that.
i do also see positive sides to it, but there's mountains of negative in it.. at least, in the supposed "adult" life (whatever the f that may be).. the "time of youth" is more relax and easy..
.. so .. anyway ... you're not entirely alone with this..

I often think to myself that man is a complete mistake, because man cannot bear (or comprehend) its own existence.  The limit of the comprehension of man of today, is what kind of shoes go best with what pair of pants.

Very well said Butterfly!

It is very strange living the life we do in this world, all the different cultures, social classes and what not; it is daunting. I do believe their is a purpose to things on earth, but I don't believe it has reach its conclusions as of yet, even Christ said that in the end, we would all kill ourselves with the multiplicity conflicting peoples and beliefs with vast injustices and greeds brought to a violent boil.

Eventaully thinking that I knew what I was talking about became to much for me. When I discovered 'Siddhartha' by Hesse and Jung concept of 'The Shadow', things began to become clearer. This is one reason I am often hurt by Dostoevsky, 'The Shadow' is so demonized in society, but understood by the main character's Roskolnikov and Myshkin.

[Worm]

I can't explain it any better than the curse of reason in an unreasonable world. Maybe I was being a touch negative with my 'wounds' crap. But it is true, we all start to die inside once we find out the world sucks and we are going to return to the nothingness that was our existence before birth. I judge no one because I can't walk in their shoes; I can only walk in my own shoes, and hadn't a clue even how to go about that. That's reality for you!

It's completely impossible for me to deny that the world and the entire spectrum of human life, sucks, extremely hard... as much as i don't want it to be like that.
i do also see positive sides to it, but there's mountains of negative in it.. at least, in the supposed "adult" life (whatever the f that may be).. the "time of youth" is more relax and easy..
.. so .. anyway ... you're not entirely alone with this..

I often think to myself that man is a complete mistake, because man cannot bear (or comprehend) its own existence.  The limit of the comprehension of man of today, is what kind of shoes go best with what pair of pants.

Very well said Butterfly!

It is very strange living the life we do in this world, all the different cultures, social classes and what not; it is daunting. I do believe their is a purpose to things on earth, but I don't believe it has reach its conclusions as of yet, even Christ said that in the end, we would all kill ourselves with the multiplicity conflicting peoples and beliefs with vast injustices and greeds brought to a violent boil.

Eventaully thinking that I knew what I was talking about became to much for me. When I discovered 'Siddhartha' by Hesse and Jung concept of 'The Shadow', things began to become clearer. This is one reason I am often hurt by Dostoevsky, 'The Shadow' is so demonized in society, but understood by the main character's Roskolnikov and Myshkin.

Exactly.
All the different cultures, social classes, thoughts about life and how to live it, is ... strange ... there is so much diversity in human life.
The majority of people of today, in practical life, has sometimes great difficulties in comprehending all of these complex diversities.  And i believe the limit of comprehension of man of today is what kind of shoes go best with what pair of pants, so... when he is inevitably confronted with all of those diversities, he will encounter problems.

I also believe there's a purpose to human life...
but for now, nobody cares one shit about this, and they care more about what kind of shoes go best with what pants.  
And I don't pretend to know anything about this either.  Don't get your hopes up about anything.

Some eyes are indeed in the shadows

this capitalism has underestimated the need of a human for inner things~shampoo won't make the difference

[Worm]

but, you know, Linz..
.. it's just you.
there must be something wrong with you, how come you think these kind of things?  You're obviously the only one that feels like this.  It's just you.  Everything is working fine in our society.  You're the only one that speaks about these kind of things- you're "weird".
it's just you!


*a bitter laugh*

[linz]

You don't need say I'm boastful, but more eager to triggering self inhihalations, so to speak. I test all wise men and still don't understand and I believe as, still uncomprehending as a babe, and therefore that might be blessed to simply die, and not be plundged into the abyssal depths of God rebuke and chastity, from innumberable wrongs I'm unwilling to depart with. Let us attempt this little look at things; If you are reasonable, and your reason tells you the world is unreasonable, and that nothing you do will change the whole of the offense which is the earth. No whining orator as believed during Hitler and Lenin. I've often loved socialism, but unless the rulers themselves were cast among the muckheap, the temple would have been built correctly anyhow and so on and so forth.

Did it ever strike you as amazing that Christ was so deeply symbolic and that everything he said, if looked upon with reason, becomes the truth. The only think I struggle over is his concept of the sheeps and the goats. It is Beckett, in his 'Godot' who attempted to define the to hidden figures with Vladimir the sheep and Estragon the goat. Estragon says we are all ignorant apes, and thinks he has an answer for everything; he would also rather search for eternity in his enjoyment of a carrot than seek God. Estragon also confuses Pozzo for Godot, which might be allusive to the worship of the Anti-Christ. The most allureing testamony of the Tragicomedy, is that in the last book of the bible, it mentions a sweet and bitter book fullfilling the mystery of God. i. e. (sweet=comedy) (bitter=tragic)

[linz]

The only orator I would bow down to, is the one that convinced us all to commit ritual suicide, not for the sake of our souls going to the 'ufo' behind the astroid, but that a unified gnoticism led us down the road of eternal babble until neither pain or joy existed anymore.

[Secret Smile]

It is very strange living the life we do in this world, all the different cultures, social classes and what not; it is daunting. I do believe their is a purpose to things on earth, but I don't believe it has reach its conclusions as of yet, even Christ said that in the end, we would all kill ourselves with the multiplicity conflicting peoples and beliefs with vast injustices and greeds brought to a violent boil.

Maybe you could show me where Christ said that. I don't remember it for some reason.  

[linz]

Stop nagging me women!

Maybe you should make yourself aware of Psalm 22. ('free me from the power of the dog' and also 'Even the little dogs get the crumbs from the masters table'), ('I am no man but a worm.' If you think Jonah had it hard in the belly of the fish, than you've no idea!)

If you have read the Unnamable by Beckett you would realize this character, the Unnamable, was free of reasoning, as in his view there is no reasoning, yet he has the knowledge that Eden wasn't a safe place, and also loves to join the demons in their endless torture of 'Worm'. Who no longer exists at least in that realm, but has fallen to that fateful never ending sound which is in the mind and not actually heard by the ears, and that single eye of 'Worm', with its constant tears trickling down eternally. And you, as The Unnameable, will be eating his flesh and drinking his blood yourself for all eternity!  

I'm being a pessimist mabye?

[Secret Smile]

Stop nagging me women!

Maybe you haven't noticed the male icon next to the "gender" field under my name.

Maybe you should make yourself aware of Psalm 22. ('free me from the power of the dog' and also 'Even the little dogs get the crumbs from the masters table'), ('I am no man but a worm.' If you think Jonah had it hard in the belly of the fish, than you've no idea!)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Psalm 22 isn't Christ speaking, and none of what you quoted talks about "all kill ourselves with the multiplicity conflicting peoples and beliefs with vast injustices and greeds brought to a violent boil."

If you have read the Unnamable by Beckett you would realize this character, the Unnamable, was free of reasoning, as in his view there is no reasoning, yet he has the knowledge that Eden wasn't a safe place, and also loves to join the demons in their endless torture of 'Worm'. Who no longer exists at least in that realm, but has fallen to that fateful never ending sound which is in the mind and not actually heard by the ears, and that single eye of 'Worm', with its constant tears trickling down eternally. And you, as The Unnameable, will be eating his flesh and drinking his blood yourself for all eternity!  

I don't care about Beckett. I was asking about Christ.

[linz]

Maybe this will help Mr. Crosssdresser

Closely read The Sermon on the Mount and you will see that what Jesus asks of us in this sermon is nothing  short of perfection. The first time I read the Mount, I was scared out of my mind and was in a deep depression for over a week. Because, any many circumstances I was the opposite of what Christ considered blessed. The only thing I could do is stop being such a asshole. I stopped, or at least tryed to stop being so boastful. I tried as a rule to be nice to people, or at least not utterly vile. I tried not to judge anyone for anything, because it wasn't my place. By doing these things I learned to no longer blame anyone including myself for what ever ill they do.

"Man is all out for you, blaming his boots for the faults of his feet." - Vladimir

I believe the above quote from Waiting for Godot tries to explain that much of the sinfullness in people comes from the environment and situations they encountered in their life, which maked it much easier to have transgressed. When people become aware of this they blame their boots, but this isn't to say they don't feel sorry for their trespasses.

[Secret Smile]

You're exactly like Lebedev; the comparison I made earlier shows itself to be true. Rather than answer the point and quote where Christ says what you said he did, you go off on a tangent about the Sermon on the Mount. It's for good reason that characters like Lebedev in Dostoevsky's works are rarely taken seriously.

[linz]

You are obviously a good accuser.

But it is sort of silly that you would quote what I said, and than say 'were did Christ say that?', considering it was I who said it?

Do you think I am Christ or something, if so I'd advice getting back on your medicine immediatly!  

[linz]

You're exactly like Lebedev; the comparison I made earlier shows itself to be true. Rather than answer the point and quote where Christ says what you said he did, you go off on a tangent about the Sermon on the Mount. It's for good reason that characters like Lebedev in Dostoevsky's works are rarely taken seriously.

Might I remind you that the novel you seem to fasion me in, I myself can fasion you as all the depraved characters who sucked the marrow from Myshkin!

[linz]

AT LEAST LEBEDEV MADE HIM LAUGH, YOU CRABLOUSE!

[tzar]

... we all start to die inside once we find out the world sucks and we are going to return to the nothingness that was our existence before birth...

maybe, i get your idea...

you meant: the world (society) we built is a system -
whereas life itself is not a system or scheme, but something else we still don't know what exactly.

therefore - in order to attain ''eternal life'' that Christ promised us, we have to break away from these systems and schemes which we thought were life, but in fact were not.

and that's a painful process, actually.
because, through the whole life we bear the cross upon which - finally, we get crucified.