Need TBK SPOILER, please

[Allanysha]

Hi,

I have 50 pages left in The Brothers Karamazov, and I can't finish it.  I'm at the end of the trial, and it's too painful to read. Everyone seems to be going mad or dying. I read the very end, but I still don't know what happens to Dmitri (if he goes mad and dies, which usually happens in Fyodor's books . And does Ivan die of the fever? And what, if anything, happens to Grushenka.

I've put six months into this book, and I can't read anymore. It's one of my favorites, but it's just too intensely depressing for me.

Thank you

PS I'm not reading this for a class or anything; just for "fun."

[monika]

Well dmtry is found guilty, but Katja along with Ivan plan a escape plan for him, and even Alosha agrees that it is not for Dmitry to stay in jail. Katja visits Dmirty in jail and tells him that  Ivan left her money so she can help Dmitry escape.
Ivan is in fever, and his state is very bad, the doctors don't give him a lot of time. Katja takes care of him, he is in her house. We don't know what hapened to Lise and Alosha. The book ends with the funeral of the boy Iljusha and with a speach from Aljosha to the boys, Iljusha's friends. He tells them that he is going away and leaving Rushia and that they need to stay like this forever, and take care of eachother
sorry bout my speling if i have some mistakes
if u need some more information reply

[monika]

Oh, and as for Grushenka, she stays with Dmitry, but have fights about Katja

[Allanysha]

Thank you so much. I did read the last few pages about the boy's funeral. Just one last question. Does Dmitri escape, and does he get ill, too (I'm just guessing he does, because, like I said, that's the way with Fyodor D.)?

Also, can someone recommend the next book for me, like a favorite of yours? I've read Crime and Punishment, Notes, The Idiot, and The Possessed (I think it's called The Devils too, but I hardly even recall reading it).

Thanks again,

Allan(osha)

[monika]

well we don't know what actually happens to Dmitry. the last time he is mentioned in the book is when Katja visits him in jail and tells him that Ivan told her to help him escape and that he left her money 2.
Also there is a dialog between Dmitry and Alyosha and Dmitry said that he can not leave Rushia, his home. He told him he;ll go to America and then return in Rushia when no one will be able to recognize him. And that Grushenka will be with him. After that is the funeral and the book ends. We dont know what happened with Ivan or Dmitry

[Scoundrel]

Read 'The Double'

After reading that, read Gogol's 'The overcoat' and notice the similarities

[monika]

i just started it *the double* last night  

[Scoundrel]

i just started it *the double* last night  

What are your first impressions of Golyadkin?

[monika]

i dont know, he is kind of sad and not confident enough.

[Scoundrel]

He's definitely a sad character... initially, I despised him--getting all excited about his 'respectable sum'.... after awhile though, I just grew to pity him, and cringed at his stupid actions

[monika]

well i9 just stared it.
and as for `the overcoat` from gogolj, i think i have already read it, im not shure couse in my language is `shinela`   and im not sure is the same. does the main character in `the overcoat` dies in the end?

[Allanysha]

I finished it!!! I must say, I thought the trial would go on forever. I know it's sacrilege, but I wish he had a good editor. But it did tie the whole thing together.

I read the Introduction just now, and, did you know, that D. was planning a sequel, a second part to the book? He states that he will develop Alyosha into a full protagonist. He's still rather naive, I think, in this book; but he does make good choices, unlike his brothers. The Foreword points out that Smed. is also a Karamazov, the fourth brother.

The brothers, the Foreword says, are sort of clips from D.'s life. He was an atheist, a humanist, a sensualist/agnostic, then after the near death experience and hard labor, became spiritual. But he had to go through all of these stages, I think, to be fully spiritual.

This is just my opinion, but I think one's faith must be tested in order to truly believe. Blind faith is for sheep.

Feel free to object. I'd like some discussion, since my poodle doesn't seem to be interested in this particular work

Allan

[monika]

I  did know about the sequel, and Its a shame that D. didnt get to write it  

so many things are left and unfinished.

he must of had and idea how to finish it

[carnage_complex]

Dostoevsky claimed shortly before his death that Alyosha was going to be featured in a sequel, a book which would depict him as a socialist who assassinated the Tsar.  Though D unfortunately passed on before this idea could ever reach fruition, it seems highly prophetic that Alexander II was assassinated one month after his passing.